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Anyone Watching RNC?

Just wondered.

mike

18 replies on “Anyone Watching RNC?”

Just wondered.

This is going to be a tough election year. I was going to vote for Trump, mainly because he is not a career politician. Yet, I criticize my wife because she is voting for Clinton simply because she is a woman.

So, I need to research who else is running and either vote for them or write myself in and vote for me. Hmmm, if enough of you do that, maybe I will win…

Gary Gile

I like your idea, Gary. At least you know you can trust your write in!

Watching the RNC is like eating snack food – I feel like it’s not good for me, but I don’t want to stop. Perhaps because it’s feeding my incredulity.

My ex-husband and I were talking about our votes the other day. He is a staunch conservative and I’ve moved from that to become a fiscally worried progressive. Neither of us will vote for Hillary or Trump, and he says he thinks the Libertarian candidate is “crazy” so he’s undecided. I’m leaning toward Jill Stein of the Green party. I started looking at her when I took a “what party are you?” test on line and got Green (don’t laugh, Mike).

I think overall our system might be better served with more parties, which hopefully would lead to less gridlock.

Heidi Mehltretter

Following this election reminds me of when I let my kids sitting in the front seat steer the car. They veer all over the road. Make big adjustments when little ones are needed, etc.

What I finally figured out was that they were looking at road right in front of the car. When I told them to look 100 yards down the road the driving immediately smoothed out. 500% better, literally.

We think these are the most polarized times ever, or that Donald Trump type candidates have never made it this far, that Congress is grid locked like never before, the Hillary Clinton is the most unethical candidate ever, etc.

These are tumultuous times for sure. What is interesting to me is the penchant/need/desire to feel that we live in the worst of times (or the best of times?). It seems to me to be as the Hindus say a great drama.

Is the present more tumultuous than during the Civil rights/Vietnam war of the 60s, or go back further to WWII or even further to when the US plunged into a civil war that almost broke up the country, etc??

One thing we can trust is the power of homeostasis. E.G. Polarization is a function/factor of homeostasis. Poles create natural polarity of an equal and opposite force. And thus little to no movement.

What is always curious to me is sense into the point where if this one point moves (changes, gets inserted) the entire system moves/shifts/transforms. And it can be wickedly simple things. For example, in the issue of how police interact with citizenry, the ubiquitous presence of cameras changes everything. The problem at this point is that there are probably not enough cameras (e.g. police wearing them, police cars being equipped with 360 degree cameras). When cops are all equipped with them – the ship has fully sailed on this, just a matter of time – then a fundamental reorientation will occur that likely shifts major ways these system function.

Interesting to watch the shift in police officer culture from not wanting them to slowly embracing them as a way to protect the officer.

Or you allow too many banks to get to be “too big to fail.” That decision can cascade a system into free-fall quite quicky.

As many point out, Trump is an insertion that will shift the fabric of the Republican party. It already has. If he wins the election his capacity for impact will magnify 1000 fold. That is what has a certain segment of human beings so worried or elated.

I liked this piece, it does show that unrelated ENTPs are likely to put their small children on their laps and let them learn to drive, not that it helps down the road;)

The problem with looking out across cycles is that we won’t live long enough to get to homeostasis, the world will, the planet will, every few million years the reset button is pushed by Mother Nature, so the drama is by bit players for sure!

All of us here on the list are going to be extremely affected in our lives–most disrupted. Some dead;)

I am reminded of Socrates:

Let us reflect in another way, and we shall see that there is great reason to hope that death is a good, for one of two things: – either death is a state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as men say, there is a change and migration of the soul from this world to another.

Now if you suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him who is undisturbed even by the sight of dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. For if a person were to select the night in which his sleep was undisturbed even by dreams, and were to compare with this the other days and nights of his life, and then were to tell us how many days and nights he had passed in the course of his life better and more pleasantly than this one, I think that any man, I will not say a private man, but even the great king, will not find many such days or nights, when compared with the others.

Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then only a single night. But if death is the journey to another place, and there, as men say, all the dead are, what good, O my friends and judges, can be greater than this? If indeed when the pilgrim arrives in the world below, he is delivered from the professors of justice in this world, and finds the true judges who are said to give judgment there, Minos and Rhadamanthus and Aeacus and Triptolemus, and other sons of God who were righteous in their own life, that pilgrimage will be worth making. What would not a man give if he might converse with Orpheus and Musaeus and Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. I, too, shall have a wonderful interest in a place where I can converse with Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and other heroes of old, who have suffered death through an unjust judgment; and there will be no small pleasure, as I think, in comparing my own sufferings with theirs.

Above all, I shall be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in that; I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. What would not a man give, O judges, to be able to examine the leader of the great Trojan expedition; or Odysseus or Sisyphus, or numberless others, men and women too! What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them and asking them questions! For in that world they do not put a man to death for this; certainly not. For besides being happier in that world than in this, they will be immortal, if what is said is true.

Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know this of a truth – that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after death. He and his are not neglected by the gods; nor has my own approaching end happened by mere chance. But I see clearly that to die and be released was better for me; and therefore the oracle gave no sign. For which reason also, I am not angry with my accusers, or my condemners; they have done me no harm, although neither of them meant to do me any good; and for this I may gently blame them.

Plato – “The Apology”

mike

I don’t know what to say actually but this election will be long remembered for its inflection point.

I told folks on the list last year the reason I want to regress our American Values back into DQ-BLUE…Law and Order, pushing gov back to the states, etc. vs. rise in minimum wage, free college (2 trillion btw), open immigration, gun control, and other more progressive notions which will be highlighted next week.

Too much green density will ironically cost us our freedoms, even though degrees of freedom, especially individual freedom are densest at FS-GREEN.

I HAVE after the past decade+ realized that we must provide food, shelter, medicine, education and income as a basic right and I think they will throw me out of anything warm because of that, however I don’t know the best way yet to do that and just giving it away sends the wrong message, however we need a new currency surrounding achievement and my sense is a momentous leap has to be made in order to eliminate this as a problem.

mike

“Watching the RNC is like eating snack food – I feel like it’s not good for me, but I don’t want to stop.”

That’s a really great quote.

Right or wrong, I’m treating the show like it’s entertainment. My take is that people don’t vote for one candidate or another for logical reasons. Rather, they vote based on who they identify with the most closely. I haven’t figured that out yet for me.

Alicia

Yes good quote as I read LIFO…

Yes I think you’re correct about identifying with a candidate although I like to try to think through the identity into what would happen to “net values” if we choose one or the other.

Heidi wanted more parties and you ideally would want parties that reflect the major value systems because we are all going to identify from that core.

The Philippines just lines them up and the one that gets the most votes wins, it’s NOT A MAJORITY SYSTEM, although neither is the USA electoral system either.

Duterte won the presidential race with 16,601,997 votes…

The population of the Philippines is about 110-120 million, although more than 1/2 are below age 15, and at least 10-20% are undocumented.

Barack Obama won 51% in 2012, almost 53% in 2008.

One thing that doesn’t bother people is the debt…which will have almost doubled during Obama’s presidency and is sure to exceed 26 trillion (CBO) by the end of the decade…hi misty will say she wants to give free college and if she does, it means min add 2 trillion right there before end of decade.

The debt doesn’t bother me so much while interest rates are negative…

Remember during Obama’s terms interest rates have been abnormally low!!

I ran the debt numbers under high interest rates (coming) and it’s not pretty, so while the debt isn’t a deal breaker, paying high interest on it is…try 5% on 30 trillion!!

U have 1.5 trillion bucks in interest payments!

There is where things start to come apart, just look at Japan who MUST function with negative interest.

People can sit at home and not vote but your taxes are going through the roof a lot sooner than you think!!

The TAX MAN COMETH.

I believe our window is closing and we do something very drastic now, or have it done unto us.

It’s probably too late.

I don’t think ANYONE UNDERSTANDS COMPOUND INTEREST.

If u started with a penny and had the balance doubled everyday for 30 days, how much would you have?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/92966fc7-c54d-4405-8fa6-cbefd05bbd6f

Unless you have been through this, you will not get it right, OR BELIEVE IT!

Now, here is a footnote!

Islam in its pure form doesn’t allow COMPOUND INTEREST! Shariah law doesn’t allow interest, and the above example is why.

So while many will stay home, it’s not going to keep you from writing some enormous checks to the government for all these (my) programs is there are no strings.

All the people who get an increase in minimum wage will I’m correspondence get severe increases in their overall taxes over their lifetimes, especially when they need it most–in old age, which will be delayed by 25 years min (80) on millennials by the time they catchup to retirement.

So while the milennials and gen Z are all fired up about Bernie, my suggestion is that the risk/benefit ratio for them is off the charts bad with all the giveaways that you are going to see next week!

They said OBAMACARE would save money and that has proven to be absolutely false and it alone will produce INCREDIBLE DEFICITS ON ITS OWN IN A SHORT time.

We need universal care but it can’t/won’t be Obamacare.

What does scare me is represented in kind by obamacare and those are CLAIMS ON FUTURE INCOME WHICH ARE KNOWN AS “CREDIT!”

Our unfunded liabilities, including pension guarantees, etc are now more than 150 trillion and with only a small rise will exceed the book value of our USA assets = 200 trillion.

“Although the battle over a two-year budget deal and the national debt limitin Washington, D.C. has received the lion’s share of media attention recently , the bigger, more ominous threat facing taxpayers are unfunded liabilities—the difference between the net present value of expected future government spending and the net present value of projected future tax revenue, particularly those associated with Social Security and Medicare.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/

Any of you less than 60 are going to feel this pain and our kids and grandkids are going to inherit this mess and they are gong to need all the technology they can muster to live well!

When you’re staying home from voting, you will have time to calculate how much money you need to live at 90% tax rates…

mike

Mike, you mentioned several times about ” staying home from voting”. I do not feel anyone should stay home and not vote.
HOWEVER, I also feel it wrong to vote for one or the other of the two major party candidates by choosing the “less evil of the 2” as that may send the wrong message to them, unless you really feel they are the BEST CHOICE to be president.
So voting for someone else [me, for example 😉 ] would at least show that you care enough about the direction of our country to go vote, yet also show that you do not like the 2 major party choices.

Gary Gile

The interesting thing, your tongue and cheek aside (?)…

Is this election represents the largest polar differences that may in recent history be present in values.

Aside from Bernie not being a woman, the differences couldn’t be more pronounced.

What’s even more interesting is that the results of this election will be like the every ready bunny and just keep going and going because of the likelihood of how the Supreme Court will be constituted.

That probably more than anyone thing will be the history that is going to be remembered.

All the people who stay away are going to have to chew and swallow their apathy for a long time;)

We are facing what probably will be the greatest “monetary crisis of all of history during the next 4 years, and while I’ve been warning people for a decade as to why, this nasty bird is coming home to roost.

The differences in how warm and cool (hot and cold values) will approach this are stark.

mike

Quick comment, we are staging a civil war here in the USA but it will be seen as social disorder.

No this one will be different.

The last was over slavery, the next will be about haves and havenots.

U just don’t have the temperament to be president, I’m sure ur mom would say that too;)

mike

Kidding aside, I feel that trump is a disrupter which is the ONLY chance of busting the status quo, although many will not prefer to risk the unknown…however based on his kids, we could all probably learn some lessons in parenting;)

mike

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